Black Sheep

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  On and off again JW girlfriend

  by Crzysin in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

  each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

  i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

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  Black Sheep

  She is damaged goods.

  Until such time as she fully realises that she has been raised in a damaging high control cult, she is not marriagable material.

  Do yourself and your potential children a favor and run away.
  
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  How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.

  they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?

  to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.

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  Black Sheep

  Say what they want to hear, then when they are gone, get on with your life.
  
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  Still alive and kicking

  by Jourles in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  howdy everyone!

  just wanted to pop in and say hi to all the old timers and the new.

  i can't believe i've been a member of this site for 18 years now.

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  Black Sheep

  It's nice to pop in to see you're still top side. I've pretty much drifted away and don't spend much time here now.
  
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  Are you better off as a worldly person or a JW?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.

  he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.

  i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.

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  Black Sheep

  Being ' inactive for several decades' is not the same thing as being 'out' and fully understanding that the religion is a cult and the effect that his time 'in' had on him.
  
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  Help Elders poking nose in

  by Formerbrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

  they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

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  Black Sheep

  If you have reasons why you don't want to be DF/DA, (like you still want to be able to talk to your family and friends etc. without them running for the hills), lie when they ask the DF/DA type questions and tell them what you need them to hear to maintain some kind of OK status in the cong..

  They won't be honest with you if they get caught out, so treat them the same way and don't feel any guilt for any dishonesty.

  In my youth JWs called such dishonesty Theocratic Warfare and it still exists but without being named. If you deny yourself your version of 'Theocratic Warfare' while they try to protect the congregation and your JW family from you, you give them the upper hand and they will win.
  
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  I can’t find it!

  by Truth and Justice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need some serious help on something that i read here on this board, and so i am going to do my best to explain what i’m looking for.

  i need this, so i can’t share with my brother who is still in.. it has to do with the organization saying in affect that each member in the congregation has the right to decide for themselves what they choose to do, (that is whether they choose to be apart of the organization without repercussions) and that they would not think of interfering with our own conscience, and that if they chose otherwise that it would be their own decision.. now some might think that the society wouldn’t write something like that, but they did, and i read it, and after reading it, i said to myself “they don’t follow this, they never have.” .

  if you could locate this for me, i would be very grateful!.

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  Black Sheep

  It may be more effective to manipulate your brother into making a statement that you know that the WT contradicts, then putting the onus on him to do the research to prove the statement to you.

  JWs think that they have all the answers, so instead of confronting them with a statement that you have to back up, ask a question that you know they can't answer, then use guilt and their own self proclaimed despise of double standards to keep them honest and on topic when they try to weasel their way out of an honest answer.
  
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  Is My Wife Awakening?

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.

  i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.

  for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.

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  Black Sheep

  It's far better to encourage her to voice her negative opinions than for you to offer yours.
  
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  Smiddy`s Wedding Anniversary Today

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi friends one and all i just thought i would let you know it`s our 57th wedding anniversary today .

  and we are setting off this morning for 3 nights in eden nsw i think it has more to offer than the one in genesis.. with a bit { or a lot } of luck we will make our fortune .

  have a good day everybody.

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  Black Sheep

  A belated Happy Anniverary to you both. Congratulations.
  
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  What would you say?

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.

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  Black Sheep

  Every time I ask one a question they tell me they'll look it up and get back to me. Not one has ever come back with an answer. AFAIK none of them have left. They have too much to lose if they have to tell their friends and families that they've all been sucked in by a bunch of doomsday nutters.
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  Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  geoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".

  what has the governing body ever apologized for?.

  22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .

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  Black Sheep

  There was a very evasive apology published after Jehovah's 1975 no show. A search should find it.